Coccothrinax ID

[Stevetoad]

I’ve lost the tag for this cocco. I think it was called c. Roseii if I remember right. Anyway. It has extremely stiff leaves, grows very slowly and has a heel and tillers like a Sabal. Any ideas? 

[Stevetoad]

Any ideas???

[Xhoniwaters1]

Coccothrinax moaensis maybe

[aztropic]

Coccothrinax macroglossa.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Stevetoad]

1 hour ago, aztropic said:

Coccothrinax macroglossa.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

man I hope thats what it turns out to be. Do they tiller when young?

[Stevetoad]

2 hours ago, Xhoniwaters1 said:

Coccothrinax moaensis maybe

would love it to be this as well

[Really full garden]

Coccothrinax clarensis ?

[aztropic]

Not moaensis or clarensis Individual frond segments on those two are much stiffer and dagger like and will stab you as you walk by...Definitely macroglossa,which some will just lump into the miraguama complex.I've seen all 3 of these in habitat.Funny that you mention tillering... most macroglossa that I've seen have a club like base after forming a trunk.Here is mine.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Stevetoad]

1 hour ago, aztropic said:

Not moaensis or clarensis Individual frond segments on those two are much stiffer and dagger like and will stab you as you walk by...Definitely macroglossa,which some will just lump into the miraguama complex.I've seen all 3 of these in habitat.Funny that you mention tillering... most macroglossa that I've seen have a club like base after forming a trunk.Here is mine.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Yeah. Definitely looks like a match. Same weave, same heel. Can we see the whole palm? How old is yours?

[Mandrew968]

Hahaha. None of the aforementioned are the culprit-macroglossa (previously known as azul) would have chalky residue on the addaxial portion of the leaf-yours doesn't. Moaensis, it is not due to the orientation of the leaflets. It's a miraguama until proven otherwise-the true miraguama is a lovely palm with very stiff leaves and a beautiful trunk.

[Stevetoad]

1 hour ago, Mandrew968 said:

Hahaha. None of the aforementioned are the culprit-macroglossa (previously known as azul) would have chalky residue on the addaxial portion of the leaf-yours doesn't. Moaensis, it is not due to the orientation of the leaflets. It's a miraguama until proven otherwise-the true miraguama is a lovely palm with very stiff leaves and a beautiful trunk.

how about miraguama var roseocarpa? I think that was the label. 

[Mandrew968]

18 minutes ago, Stevetoad said:

how about miraguama var roseocarpa? I think that was the label. 

It certainly could be, Steve. I believe that is now acuminata... Pretty rare palm if so

[aztropic]

2 hours ago, Mandrew968 said:

Hahaha. None of the aforementioned are the culprit-macroglossa (previously known as azul) would have chalky residue on the addaxial portion of the leaf-yours doesn't. Moaensis, it is not due to the orientation of the leaflets. It's a miraguama until proven otherwise-the true miraguama is a lovely palm with very stiff leaves and a beautiful trunk.

While actually IN Cuba,looking at these palms in the ground,in habitat,our famous Cuban palm expert  Raul Verdecia called this green fronded palm out as macroglossa.It supposedly IS the same palm as "Azul".The blue coloring that Azul can achieve is due to the minerals in the particular area of serpentine soil where they are growing.That is why most of the Azul you see outside of that area are not very blue at all.Most macroglossa are actually green and we saw miles upon miles of them while traveling through the country.A very common palm in Cuba to be sure.

Like I mentioned before, you could just lump it into the miraguama complex and be done with it,but miraguama tends to be a tidier looking palm with very straight and stiff frond segments. 

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Coccothrinax_macroglossa

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Edited August 21, 2018 by aztropic

[Stevetoad]

16 minutes ago, aztropic said:

While actually IN Cuba,looking at these palms in the ground,in habitat,our famous Cuban palm expert  Raul Verdecia called this green fronded palm out as macroglossa.It supposedly IS the same palm as "Azul".The blue coloring that Azul can achieve is due to the minerals in the particular area of serpentine soil where they are growing.That is why most of the Azul you see outside of that area are not very blue at all.Most macroglossa are actually green and we saw miles upon miles of them while traveling through the country.A very common palm in Cuba to be sure.

Like I mentioned before, you could just lump it into the miraguama complex and be done with it,but miraguama tends to be a tidier looking palm with very straight and stiff frond segments. 

http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Coccothrinax_macroglossa

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

I would love to see some habitat pics if you got any! 

[aztropic]

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Stevetoad]

25 minutes ago, aztropic said:

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

Awesome shots! Those Copernicia cowellii are stunning. How big are the c. moaensis that you sprouted now? Thank you

[aztropic]

Coccothrinax moaensis are still in the same community pot that they sprouted in 4 years ago.Very slow but steady.Even at this small size,the little strap leaves are VERY stiff!  (18 plants in a 2 gallon pot)

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

 

[aztropic]

Copernicia cowellii are surprisingly doing very well in my extreme desert environment.Here is one of my seedlings planted out in full,all day sun.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

 

[aztropic]

Coccothrinax macroglossa has been a relatively fast grow in the desert.This one is only 13 years old from seed!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[aztropic]

Although not as fast growing as in Florida,the seeds I collected of Copernicia baileyana (2 plants on left) and Copernicia gigas on right have already made it into 15 gallon pots in 4 years.

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Stevetoad]

19 minutes ago, aztropic said:

Coccothrinax macroglossa has been a relatively fast grow in the desert.This one is only 13 years old from seed!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

you got a great looking garden out there. Next time Im out that way Id love a tour. (yes I just invited myself). I have family in mesa and phoenix that i visit. 

[aztropic]

Don't know if you know jubaeaman138 (Chris) from this forum but he is coming out September 8 for a looksie.When ever you're in town,give me a yell!

 

aztropic

Mesa,Arizona

[Mandrew968]

'azul' has color in South Florida and we don't have Cuban soils. Even in nursery mix, the chalky wax is apparent. I don't want to argue about anything, but I do know this as a fact.

The palm is acuminata, barring an original misslabeling-happy growing, Steve!

[NatureGirl]

So, Cocco mira v roseocarpa is now Cocco acuminata? Thanks, didn’t know that. Pics below are from my C ‘roseocarpa’, and I can tell you it is quite different from my C ‘havanensis’ right next to it. The ‘havanensis’ pushes out 3 blooms at the same time and pollinates itself like crazy. The ‘roseocarpa’ puts out small pathetic blooms that barely or not at all get pollinated. In fact I have never gotten a viable seed from it. 

[Caribbean Palms]

This is Coccothrinax macroglossa 'azul' in habitat.

The two growing next to each other have obvious different amounts of 'blue' coloration in their fronds. Growing these here at the nursery I've found that many times plants have to be several years old before the 'blue' color starts to show.

The second photo is trunk fibers for comparison.

I'd say it's a very good chance that yours is C. macroglossa 'azul'.  Green or blue....we shall see.

In answer to a prior comment....Coccothrinax acuminata was formerly known as Coccothrinax miraguama ssp. arenicola and NOT Coccothrinax miraguama ssp. roseocarpa....

[NatureGirl]

 Ah, thanks for the correction Mike, then I can keep calling mine roseocarpa then. Beautiful color on your palms!

[Mandrew968]

On 8/24/2018, 9:26:16, Caribbean Palms said:

This is Coccothrinax macroglossa 'azul' in habitat.

The two growing next to each other have obvious different amounts of 'blue' coloration in their fronds. Growing these here at the nursery I've found that many times plants have to be several years old before the 'blue' color starts to show.

The second photo is trunk fibers for comparison.

I'd say it's a very good chance that yours is C. macroglossa 'azul'.  Green or blue....we shall see.

In answer to a prior comment....Coccothrinax acuminata was formerly known as Coccothrinax miraguama ssp. arenicola and NOT Coccothrinax miraguama ssp. roseocarpa....

Yes, that is correct.