Another Ptychosperma to identify ... any ideas.??

[DUNDEE]

Extremely slender trunks , and despite their small size they have been fruiting for several years now. Fruits are deep red when ripe and the size of P. microcarpum.

[Ntheastpalms]

Perhaps Ptychosperma nicolai

[Mandrew968]

I would say Waitianum/Burretianum. No one seems to know the difference and there is high variation in the leaf within this complex. I have both thin leaf form with slight plumosity and the wide leaf form. 

[Mandrew968]

3 hours ago, Ntheastpalms said:

Perhaps Ptychosperma nicolai

I believe this is the name for a specific hybrid.

[DUNDEE]

Thanks guys....

Can't be P. nicolai  though because the leaflets are very evenly arranged and according to this page P.nicolai are irregularly arranged http://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Ptychosperma_nicolai

Also my plant has a fairly small stiffly held inflorescence like I have seen on a specimen of Waitianum in Cairns botanical gardens, it is very much the fishtail version though. 

From what I have seen palms usually labeled as P.  burretianum have long pendulose inflorescence. 

 

I'm going with P. Waitianum  var "fine leaf"

[Jeff Searle]

First, I'm pretty confident that P. nicolai is not a valid species. Second, I would say it's not P. waitianum. The leaflets don't match up. Also, fruit color would be a dark purple.

[Mandrew968]

11 hours ago, Jeff Searle said:

First, I'm pretty confident that P. nicolai is not a valid species. Second, I would say it's not P. waitianum. The leaflets don't match up. Also, fruit color would be a dark purple.

There is a lot of variation in the leaf form, from what I have seen, locally for waitianum/burretianum. I think his own Identification is spot on...

[Jeff Searle]

40 minutes ago, Mandrew968 said:

There is a lot of variation in the leaf form, from what I have seen, locally for waitianum/burretianum. I think his own Identification is spot on...

"From what you seen"? Ha ha. Besides driving around the block, maybe do a little search on what P. waitianum looks like in situ. There should be no variations. Unless it's hybridized with another species. Just the mention of deep red fruit discounts that's P. waitianum.

[Mandrew968]

3 hours ago, Jeff Searle said:

"From what you seen"? Ha ha. Besides driving around the block, maybe do a little search on what P. waitianum looks like in situ. There should be no variations. Unless it's hybridized with another species. Just the mention of deep red fruit discounts that's P. waitianum.

I should have known my ignorance would rear its head. Forgive me for speaking out of turn--you are correct in that the extent of my knowledge is just from within my meager city block... Please exacerbate on what has been an enigmatic pairing of two species(waitianum and burretianum)--to which Encyclopedia of Cultivated Palms 2nd edition has yet to clarify... I am all ears, Mr. Searle--have my mouth shut and am ready to learn.