Edible Gourds

A friend from Bangladesh highly recommends me growing the indian long squash. Anyone growing these? I’m guessing they are gourd seeds he has that he wants to give me. Most likely i think they are NAM Tao Ngam. Are these similar to calabash? I’m a little confused on these based on the pictures Calabash - Wikipedia . Cucuzzi i always considered different Cucuzzi italian gourd - Search results - Wikipedia .Many articles on edible gourds leave me dissapointed eg.

What i’m looking for is not hard winter squash or soft summer squash or pumpkins even if they technically may be considered gourds, i want to discuss and understand edible gourds. Many like cucuzzi we have eaten for many years. If i was to start making a real list of edible gourds it would be a first i think. The problem is many gourds are called by different names

According to this website Nam Tao Yao Bottle Gourd (Opo Squash) | Seed Mail – Seed Mail Seed Co.

Nam Tao Yao Edible Gourd (Opo)
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Days to Maturity: 70 days

Description: Nam Tao Yao Bottle Gourd, also known as Lauki or Opo squash, is an edible, heat loving, disease tolerant gourd that is a great substitute for zucchini, especially if you have a hard time growing it like I do. This variety grows on a vigorous vine and yields lots of delicious fruit. Each fruit grows about 12-14 inches long, and weighs around 2.5 lbs. The Nam Tao Yao is light green, with smooth skin and white flesh that’s slightly sweet in flavor. It’s great to add to omelets, soups, and stir-fries. Naturally, my favorite way to eat them though is curried, or in a coconut based soup. It boasts cute white flowers, that open during the early evening, as the sun starts to set. Opo squash does very well in Southern Florida’s long hot summers, and you’ve probably seen me growing this on my Instagram. However, it does not tolerate too much cold weather, so make sure you do not to start them too late in the summer. It’s mature fruits can also be harvested and dried to be used as bottles or pipes!

Tip: I always make sure to hand pollinate my female opo squash flowers when they open in the evening to ensure that I get lots of fruit, because I have lots of curry to make lol. It makes a delicious vegetarian curry by itself, or you can add it into your meat curries for added nutrients, or to bulk it up. Also make sure to pick this fruit when it’s immature for the best flavor. Once the seeds really start to develop, they don’t leave you with a lot of edible flesh, and the flesh isn’t as sweet and tender."

According to Nam Tao Yao Edible Gourd (Opo) – Nichols Garden Nursery
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" * Lagenaria siceraria Open Pollinated 65-70 days Heirloom

  • Also known as Lauki or Opo squash.
  • A heating loving, disease tolerant gourd does not tolerate cooler temperatures.
  • Light green fruits with white flesh grow 12-14" long , weighs 2.5 lb.
  • Mature fruit can be dried as a bottle gourd. Long vines suitable for a trellis"

According to Gourd Seeds, Nam Tao Yao | Non-GMO, Heirloom - Asian Vegetable Garden

" Gourd Seeds - Nam Tao Yao. Heirloom, Non-GMO. Lagenaria siceraria. 65-70 days. Warm season annual. Also known as White-flowered gourd and Upo or Opo, this edible variety is vigorous, disease-tolerant, and high yielding. Fruit has light green skin, sweet, grows 12-14 inches and weighs approximately 2.5 pounds. Pick when fruit is immature. ~ 140 seeds / oz.

GOURD SEEDS - NAM TAO YAO

Requires a long, warm growing season. Prepare fertile, well drained soil. Sow seeds in spring/early summer after last frost in a warm, sunny location. Hill planting: Form soil into a 1-ft. diameter mound 3-4’ tall. Space mounds 4-6’ apart. On each mound plant 1-2 seeds. Row planting: See spacing info in chart. Keep soil moist. Fertilize as needed. Train to climb a vertical support for better air circulation, straighter fruit and ease of harvest. Bottle gourd flowers during early evening to sunrise. May need hand pollination. Harvest fruit when young and tender. Bottle gourd is popular in Asian cuisine. Saute young tender gourds with shrimp, or add to soups and stir-fries.

Seeds Per Package

  • 3 g packet - Approximately 10 Seeds
  • 1 oz - Approximately 140 Seeds
  • 4 oz - Approximately 560 Seeds
  • 1 lb - Approximately 2,240 Seeds
  • 5 lb - Approximately 11,200 Seeds"

According to Nam Tao Yao Bottle Gourd, Opo, Calabash Seeds Heirloom Non-GMO (25+ Se – Hello May Garden
(Note the seed appearance typical of gourds)

"Opo squash has a lengthy, cylindrical-shape and is typically harvested when ten to fifteen inches in length. This edible variety is vigorous, disease-tolerant, and high yielding. Fruit has light green skin, sweet, grows 12-14 inches and weighs approximately 2.5 pounds. Pick when fruit is immature.

Opo squash is popularly hollowed out slightly, stuffed then steamed or baked. Its flavor and texture pair well with eggplant, cabbage, bitter greens, onion, spicy peppers, ginger, garlic, soy sauce, coconut milk, pork, seafood and sausage.

Start Indoor 4-6 weeks before last frost

Germination: 8-14 days

Exposure: Full Sun

Germination Rate: 85%

Sow Depth: 1/2" deep

Grow: Spring

Harvest: 65-70 days"

Another source on ebay says this

" Common Name: Calabash, Hu la gua, edible bottle gourd, hyotan, calabash gourd, dudi, white-flowered gourd, moo gua, hu gua, hairy gourd, bottle gourd, hard-shelled gourd, hu lu gua, po gwa, poo gwa, oo lo kwa, snake gourd, upo, opo, or wu lo kwa.

Botanical Name: Lagenaria siceraria ‘Nam Tao Yao’

Gourd Flavor: Mildly sweet

Type: Vining

Soil Preference: Well-drained loose soil rich in nutrients

Light Preference: Full Sun

Temperature Preference: 50-90°F

Days to Germination: 7-12 Days

Days to Maturity: 50 - 70 Days

• Sow Method: Direct Sow & Transplant

• Planting Time: Spring, Early Summer

Seed Depth: 1/2"

Plant Spacing: Approx. 36-38" apart in row

• Fruit Size at Maturity: Up to 5 Pounds

This plant is amazing, edibility includes: Seeds, Leaves, Flowers, and young stems are all edible.

Sow seeds after the last frost in a sunny area. Seed germination temperature preference between 76-85°F.

For tasty gourds, harvest before the skin is hardened when the gourd is about 12-14 inches long about 4 inches in diameter. The younger a gourd, the more tender it will be. When fully matured, it develops a shell for use as a cup and container."

"(Lagenaria Siceraria) Chinese Pugua Nam Tao Yao Lauki Opo Vegetalbe USA

known as White-flowered gourd and “Bottle Gourd,” “Long Calabash Melon,” or “Lauki / Loki,” “Dhudhi,” “Kaddu,” or “Opo” Squash, Chinese Pugua. This edible variety is vigorous, disease-tolerant, and high yielding. Fruit has light green skin, sweet, tender and smooth. Used in sautes, stews and stir-fries. Delicious when sauteed with shrimp or meat. Fruit grows 12-14 inches and weighs approximately 2.5 pounds.

Sow

Bottle gourd is an annual growing vegetable, but the plant is not tolerant to low temperature. The seeds start to sprout in 59 degrees F, fastest in 86-95 degrees F. The suitable growing temperature is 68-77 degrees F.

Outdoor:Soak the seeds in water overnight to give them a leg-up on germination. Plant the seeds in situ (in their permanent spot) as soon as the last frost date has passed in your area. Plant 5 seeds per composted hill about 5-in apart. When seedlings begin to take off, you’ll want to thin them to one seedling per hill ideally.

Indoors: You can start the seeds indoors by a few weeks (soak them first) before the last frost date, but plant them in peat pots so you can plant them directly into their permanent beds without disturbing their sensitive roots. Then go ahead and plant them outdoors after the last frost date.

Grow

The bottle gourds can be grown on the small “hills” that is the traditional way of growing squash or gourds. However, because they are a long-season crop, they end up sitting on the ground for long periods and could become rotten on the side touching the ground. One way to avoid this problem is to use 3 inches or so of mulch around the vines and under the fruit, however, it’s just as easy to grow them up trellis’s, fences or cages instead.

Harvest

The gourd grows rapidly and should be harvested in time. The Fruit is light green when young,the gourds harvested at this time are of the best quality and tender.Generally, the gourd can be harvested 15-20 days after flower dropping in early Spring, and 10-14 days only in Autumn."

Upon further research i find this website LONG SQUASH CURRY (SORAKAAYA) | Vahrehvah article

“The Indian name for long squash Is lauki.”

“Long Squash is a popular and versatile vegetable which is also known in different names in India. It is generally called as lauki, ghiya or dudhi in Hindi and Gujarati, Churakka in Malayalam, Sorakaya in Telugu, Sorakkay in Tamil and Dudhi Bhopala in Marathi.”

" LONG SQUASH CURRY (SORAKAAYA)

Long Squash Curry is popularly cooked South India dish made with Bottle gourd cooked in tomato gravy adding Indian aromatic spices, dry coconut and peanuts. It is a simple and quick dish to prepare, taste excellently delicious with chapattis and jowari ki roti.

Long Squash is a popular and versatile vegetable which is also known in different names in India. It is generally called as lauki, ghiya or dudhi in Hindi and Gujarati, Churakka in Malayalam, Sorakaya in Telugu, Sorakkay in Tamil and Dudhi Bhopala in Marathi.

Long Squash is used for preparing savory as well sweet dishes. Lauki or Kaddu kheer and Doodhi Halwa are very popular desserts prepared in Indian subcontinent. Lauki is also used in making other variety of dishes like Lauki with Mung Dal, Lazeez Lauki, Sorakaya pulusu with groundnut and bottle gourd curry with sesame seeds etc. In some parts of India, the dried bottle gourd is used as a float (called surai-kuduvai in Tamil) to learn swimming in rural areas.

Indian instruments, such as the tanpura, sitar and rudra veena, are constructed from dried calabash gourds, using special cultivars that were originally imported from Africa and Madagascar. They are mostly grown in Bengal and near Miraj, Maharashtra.

These **gourds **are valuable items and they are carefully tended, sometimes they are given injections to stop worms and insects from making holes while they are drying etc. The long squash is frequently used in southern Chinese cuisine either in stir-fries or a soup. In Central America, the seeds of the long squash gourd are toasted and ground with other ingredients (including rice, cinnamon, and allspice) to make the drink horchata. Calabash is known locally as morro or jícaro.

Lauki, dudhi or bottle gourd holds pride of place in the Indian Ayurvedic medical system. Lauki is 96.1% water, so is light on the stomach and aids digestion. A 100 gm serving of lauki contains just twelve calories and is ideal if you are watching your weight.

Bottle Gourd, or say Long Squash is a wonderful vegetable which can be turned out into several tasty dishes. It’s a very good source of dietary fiber and also a good source of Vitamin C and B6. Remember, while cooking Bottle gourd, if you are boiling the pieces separately for the curry, do it without salt so as to keep the vegetable low in sodium levels. This way, the nutrition values of the vegetable are restored highly.

This recipe of Long Squash curry is mixed with some dry coconut and groundnut masala. For sure it is a yummy, delicious, simple and fast recipe. But the taste is just double kick to the palate. Here is the recipe for a low fat and one of the fabulous Andhra dishes. If you are someone who thinks Bottle gourd is a boring vegetable with no special taste or recipe for it, then here is the recipe that might change your mind after all.

It’s delicious, spicy and most importantly cooks quickly and easy to prepare. To prepare this scrumptious and mouth watering Long Squash curry, firstly remove the peel of the long squash and cut into small pieces. Finely chop onions and tomatoes and keep aside. Heat oil in a pan and add mustard and cumin seeds. When they crackle add channa dal and fry till it gets light brown and add curry leaves. Add chopped onions and fry till they turn light brown and then add the long squash pieces.

Let it cook for 15 minutes. Meanwhile roast peanuts and grind peanuts, coconut, coriander powder and garlic together in a blender to a smooth powder and keep aside. After 15 minutes, check if the long squash is cooked and then add chopped tomatoes, red chilli powder, turmeric powder and salt to taste. Mix well. When they are cooked, add water (as you like, if you want too much gravy then add more water) and add the ground powder into it. Let this cook till oil starts floating on the top.

Switch off the flame and add chopped coriander leaves. Serve hot with rice, roti etc. Bottle gourd is considered to be one of the healthiest of vegetables. Cooked lauki is cooling, calming and acts as diuretic. It makes you relax after eating. It plays a very important role in treating urinary disorders. If you are on a low calorie diet, suffering from digestive problems, are diabetic or convalescing, then lauki is must for you as it is easily digestible and low in calories."

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bitter gourds Momordica charantia - Wikipedia

Luffa edible gourds Luffa aegyptiaca - Wikipedia

SERPENTE DE SICILIA CUCUZZI EDIBLE GOURD

As i said above technically these gourds are Cucurbita

" Cucurbita (Latin for ‘gourd’)[3][4] is a genus of herbaceous fruits in the gourd family, Cucurbitaceae (also known as cucurbits or cucurbi ), native to the Andes and Mesoamerica. Five edible species are grown and consumed for their flesh and seeds. They are variously known as squash , pumpkin, or gourd, depending on species, variety, and local parlance.[a] Other kinds of gourd, also called bottle-gourds, are native to Africa and belong to the genus Lagenaria , which is in the same family and subfamily as Cucurbita , but in a different tribe. These other gourds are used as utensils or vessels, and their young fruits are eaten much like those of the Cucurbita species.
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There is much more to be said on this topic " Scientists in India have been working on crossbreeding six members of the Momordica (bitter gourd) genus found in India to reduce the unpleasant taste while retaining the nutritional and medicinal values of the plants. These include Teasle gourd (Momordica dioica), Spine gourd (Momordica subangulata ), Sweet gourd (Momordica cochinchinensis ), balsam apple (Momordica balsamina ) and Momordica sahyadrica .[9]"

This article is pretty good but hard to read due to ads 10 Different Types of Gourds that are Edible | Balcony Garden Web
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Best Edible Gourd Varieties to Grow

There are three types of gourds that are generally grown by gardeners-ornamental, utilitarian, and vegetable gourds. The best perk of growing vegetable gourd is that you can use its fresh and nutritious fruits instantly and use it in a multitude of recipes. Below is a list of different types of gourds that are edible and generally eaten as a veggie, which you can grow in your yard or even on terrace.

1. Bottle Gourd

Botanical name: Lagenaria siceraria

Also known as calabash or white-flowered gourd, this fruit comes in shapes like rounded, bottled, and slim. This gourd has a white flesh, enclosed under a smooth, green peel. Although its vine needs a lot of space, yet you can grow them in large pots.

Growing Tip: This gourd grows best in well-draining, moist soil at a warm, sunny spot and requires good watering during the growing season.

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10 Different Types of Gourds that are Edible

Tired of planting traditional crops then try some new Different Types of Gourds that are Edible in your garden and enjoy them fresh!

Gourds come in different sizes and forms. They are beautiful and filled with essential nutrients including vitamins, minerals, and fibers. Keep reading this article to learn about different types of gourds that are edible.


What is a Gourd?

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Belonging to the Cucurbitaceae family, gourds are the trailing and climbing vines, covered with triangular lobed foliage. The yellow and white flowers appear on this vine that eventually turns into a greenish plump fruit.

These fruits should be harvested green when the stem turns dry and brown before they are over ripen. You can grow them in the containers as well, but keeping their sprawling nature in mind, do ensure to give them additional support with the help of trellis, railing, or fences.


Best Edible Gourd Varieties to Grow

There are three types of gourds that are generally grown by gardeners-ornamental, utilitarian, and vegetable gourds. The best perk of growing vegetable gourd is that you can use its fresh and nutritious fruits instantly and use it in a multitude of recipes. Below is a list of different types of gourds that are edible and generally eaten as a veggie, which you can grow in your yard or even on terrace.

1. Bottle Gourd

Botanical name: Lagenaria siceraria

Also known as calabash or white-flowered gourd, this fruit comes in shapes like rounded, bottled, and slim. This gourd has a white flesh, enclosed under a smooth, green peel. Although its vine needs a lot of space, yet you can grow them in large pots.

Growing Tip: This gourd grows best in well-draining, moist soil at a warm, sunny spot and requires good watering during the growing season.

Uses in Cuisines

Mildy flavored bottle gourd can be cooked as a vegetable after extracting its thin peel and seeds. Or make a healthy smoothie by grinding the toasted gourd with rice, cinnamon, and a pinch of black pepper.

2. Bitter Gourd

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Botanical name: Momordica charantia

This oblong-shaped gourd has tapering ends and its thin layer of flesh consists of flat seeds. It should be harvested green when its texture is watery and flesh is crunchy. Its vine starts bearing fruit within three to four months of planting.

Growing Tip: Its prolific vine does well in a hot, humid climate, so you can grow them on your terrace, balcony, or even patios.

Uses in Cuisine

As the name suggests, this gourd has a bitter taste, but the enormous nutritious values make it stand out. After peeling its wafty peel, you can stir fry it by tossing some flavorful spices and herbs.

3. Sponge Gourd or Luffa


Botanical name: Luffa cylindrica

Luffa refers to the two species of the gourd, one is cyclindrica(smooth) and the other is aegyptiaca (ridged). Smooth Luffa has small, rounded fruit whereas Ridged ones have bigger fruits with long ridges. People sometimes use both species of luffa interchangeably.

Growing Tip: Luffas love full sun nurturing and well-draining soil enriched with plenty of compost or well-rotted manure.

Uses in Cuisines

You can eat this high water content guard either boiled or use it in soups and stews. You can even stir fry it with tomato gravy and dress it with green chilies and fresh coriander.

4. Apple Gourd

Botanical name: Praecitrullus fistulosus

Also known as Indian squash or ‘tinda’, this round-shaped apple-gourd has a slight thorny outer surface like a zucchini. Its vine starts bearing this gourd within 60-70 days from its planting.

Growing Tip: Apple gourd loves humid and hot climate to thrive, so protect them from the frost, and if you live in a colder region, better to grow them in the pots.

Uses in Cuisines

Popular in the Indian kitchen, this gourd is extensively used in savory dishes. Its crunchy flavor is complemented with the tomatoes, ginger, and chili gravy, for making its spicy curry.

5. Pointed Gourd

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Botanical name: Trichosanthes dioica

Grown on the trellis, this is one of the most appreciated gourds of India. Its perennial vine produces green fruits with white or no stripes, that are good sources of fiber and vitamins. This mildly flavored gourd has crunchy seeds that are wrapped under the mushy flesh.

Growing Tip: Use sandy loamy soil and keep it at a warm and sunny location.

Uses in Cuisines

This green veggie is eaten stir-fried coated with rich and thick gravy along with steamed rice. You can use it in preparing soup and stew as well.

6. Ridge Gourd

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Botanical name: Luffa acutangula

Also known as Turiya and Turai, this variety of gourd is ridged and dark green. It helps to improve digestion, enhance vision, and promote weight loss. Ridge gourd belongs to the cucumber family and is rich in dietary fibers.

Growing Tip: Underwatering and overwatering can kill ridge gourd, so water it judiciously. For manure, you can use homemade compost.

Uses in Cuisines

There are various culinary uses of ridge gourd. You can prepare a healthy curry by frying ridge gourd cubes with onions, tomatoes, chili powder, garlic, and salt.

7. Snake Gourd


Botanical Name: Trichosanthes cucumerina

Snake gourd is a rapidly growing variety of gourd and filled with essential vitamins and minerals. This variety of gourd is long, slender in shape, and requires a tropical climate to grow. Its leaves and shoots are also edible.

Growing Tip: Plant snake gourds seeds at least 8-10 feet apart to prevent excessive spreading. Also ensure the soil is warm, well-drained, and slightly acidic.

Uses in Cuisines

Snake gourd is a famous curry vegetable in India. It widely used in making delicious stews and flavorful pickles.

8. Ash Gourd


Botanical Name: Benincasa hispida

Popularly known as winter melon, wax gourd, and white pumpkin, Ash gourd grows on vine and cultivated in South India. This variety is low in calories, carbs and rich in fibers and antioxidants. Also, its topical application helps in reducing inflammation. It is also the best among different types of gourds that are edible.

Growing Tip: Ash gourd is a warm-weather crop and thrives well in tropical regions with temperatures between 77-85 F (25-30C). Also, it does well in loamy as well as well-drained soil.

Uses in Cuisines

The white flesh of ash gourd is edible and tastes good. You can add it in pickles, stir-fries, and pickles to enhance the flavor.

9. Ivy Gourd

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Botanical Name: Coccinia grandis
Commonly known as scarlet gourd, Ivy gourd is grown in tropical climates. It has smooth dark green skin and contains seeds and white flesh. Ivy gourd is useful in treating various health conditions including diabetes and obesity.

Growing Tip: Prefer a well-draining, sandy soil rich in compost while growing Ivy gourds. Also, water it regularly to keep it moist.

Uses in Cuisines

Ivy gourd is a versatile and ideal ingredient for salads, stews, and curries. You can chop, slice it, or cut rings out of it depending upon your requirement.

10. Spine Gourd


Botanical Name: Momordica dioica
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Spine gourd is a perennial climber with a long vine with tendrils. Its flower, leaves, and roots are also edible. This variety of gourds grows well in tropical climates, mainly in the period February-March.

Uses in Cuisines

Being low in calories and high in fibers, spine gourd is an ideal choice for diet food. You can also fry it with vegetables, meat, and fish.


Gourd Growing Instructions

In Warmer Regions

  • If you live in a tropical or subtropical area, grow it as biannual.
  • Water it regularly during its growing period and in summers.
  • Use black, well-draining, moist soil and wet near the root-ball area thoroughly.
  • Always use a trellis, fence, or cage to help the growth of the vine.

In Colder Regions

  • You can grow gourd as an annual crop.
  • Sow its seeds in mid of April, when temperature stable up to the level of 55 F (12 C) or more.
  • Keep the plant at a bright, sunny spot, and regular water regularly.
  • Use clay-rich, well-draining, slightly acidic soil.

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I have an Ivy Gourd plant in a 5 gallon bucket that I overwinter inside and put it out late spring, the plant is a prolific producer (we only get fruits in mid-late august) the fruits are yummy with tart taste.

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Ivy gourd sound good i have never eaten them or seen them grown. Sometimes we read about things without confirmation of how they grow or taste. Definately did not know you could overwinter it inside!
Coccinia grandis - Wikipedia

So many unusual plants are from Africa or other places eg. Cucumis metuliferus - Wikipedia
Cucumis metuliferus , commonly called the African horned cucumber , horned melon , spiked melon , jelly melon , or kiwano , is an annual vine in the cucumber and melon family Cucurbitaceae. Its fruit has horn-like spines, hence the name “horned melon”. The ripe fruit has orange skin and lime-green, jelly-like flesh. C. metuliferus is native to Southern Africa,[1][2] in South Africa, Namibia, Botswana, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Mozambique, and Angola

Many of the gourds , melons, fruits etc. are powerhouses of nutrition. Many of these random edible plants are considered novelties
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Years ago i grew gherkins Prickly cucumber hi-res stock photography and images - Alamy



Sometimes people have trouble growing cucumbers but they can grow gherkins
“65 days. Cucumis anguria. Open Pollinated. The plant produces heavy yields of 1 to 2” oval cucumbers. They have been used for centuries to make small pickles and relishes. It can be cooked and added to soups. It was grown by Thomas Jefferson at Monticello vegetable garden between 1812 and 1824. They do great in hot and humid regions. Also known as Burr Gherkin Cucumber or Burr Cucumber. It is believed that it originated in Africa and then was taken to the West Indies through the slave trade. The heirloom was introduced into the United States in 1792 via Jamaica, by Minton Collins of Richmond, Virginia, USA. An excellent choice for home gardens. United States Department of Agriculture, NSL 5769."
https://www.reimerseeds.com/west-indian-gherkin-cucumbers.aspx

Back to actual gourds, i think they are a great source of food we all would benefit from planting more of!

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Mine are in a 5 gallon bucket, I have drilled 1/2" holes in the bottom which lets roots to escape and go into the ground, during the beginning of fall I cut the vines to 2 ft and cut the root that have gone into the ground and put the bucket in a garage may be water 1/4 gallon once in winter.

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absolutely, I also have a chayote squash going this year, I’ll have to see whether it fruits before the season ends.

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Another edible gourd is the giant zucca melon https://www.rareseeds.com/edible-gourd-giant-zucca-melon

" 130 days. Delicious cooked like zucchini. You can’t miss this gourd growing in your garden. With a weight of 30 to 100 pounds, it is one of the largest gourds in the world! It is not only big but also very delicious. Pick it young and cook it like zucchini! This was a real show stopper at the National Heirloom Expo. Everyone wanted to know how we grew this monstrosity. Unbelievably, there are no trade secrets to growing this whopper. It’s extremely easy to grow; it thrives with little care. Start early and keep warm. Seeds require soil that is 70- 85 degrees F, and can take from 7 to 48 days to sprout. If you do not have night pollinators, hand pollinate the evening blooms.

  • 8-12 hrs of Sun

  • Sprouts in 7-48 Days

  • Ideal Temperature: 70-85 F

  • Seed Depth: 1"

  • Plant Spacing: 18-24"

  • Frost Hardy: Yes

  • Lagenaria siceraria

Growing Tips: Provide full sun, ample moisture, rich soil and a lot of heat. Pick after first frost; dry indoors, or outdoors under cover."

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This website offers a reminder that not all gourds are edible Beware of inedible gourds! | Anses - Agence nationale de sécurité sanitaire de l’alimentation, de l’environnement et du travail

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At the height of the season for all the pumpkins, squash and other cucurbits that brighten up our autumn dishes, it is important to remember that not all “squash” are edible. Some inedible gourds can even cause food poisoning, which can sometimes be serious. Here are some explanations.

Ornamental gourds and hybrid garden squash should not be eaten

Some cucurbits are toxic and contain cucurbitacins, substances that are highly irritating and bitter. After ingestion, these can rapidly lead to digestive pain, nausea, vomiting and (sometimes bloody) diarrhoea, or even severe dehydration requiring hospitalisation. These substances, which are not destroyed by cooking, are naturally produced by wild cucurbits to repel predatory insects such as caterpillars.

This is the case with ornamental gourds such as colocynths, all of which are considered toxic, available commercially (sometimes in the fruit and vegetable section) for strictly decorative uses, and which should not be confused with edible squash.

This is also the case with certain edible squash grown in the garden vegetable patch, which become unfit for consumption as a result of wild hybridisations. This phenomenon occurs when inedible and edible varieties coexist in the same or in neighbouring vegetable patches, and the seeds are harvested and re-sown year after year. Beware! The inedible gourds that result from this hybridisation look exactly like edible squash, except that they have a bitter taste, unlike the edible varieties, which have a neutral or slightly sweet taste.

Tips to avoid poisoning

  • Ornamental gourds such as colocynths are all toxic and should not be consumed. Check the label or get advice from the staff at the point of sale.
  • Edible squash, purchased commercially or grown in garden vegetable patches: try a small piece of raw squash and if the taste is bitter, spit it out and throw it all away: it should not be eaten, even when cooked.
  • Squash from garden vegetable patches: do not eat “wild” squash that have grown spontaneously. Do not collect seeds from previous harvests for re-sowing. Buy new seeds each time you want to sow them in the vegetable patch.

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This is one i did not know was edible https://www.rareseeds.com/gourd-giant-bushel-basket

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Would you like to be able to grow gourds that weigh over 150 pounds? How about 200 pounds? We did just that, and we are making a limited number of seeds available for the 2023 season. These seeds all come from fruit weighing between 75 and 217 pounds! These were grown at Baker Creek’s Mansfield, Missouri, farm during the 2022 season. To grow truly giant fruit, it is typically necessary to reduce the runners down to just one primary vine and to grow only one fruit per plant. But we were able to grow these colossal gourds without any pruning, proving that this strain of Giant Bushel Basket Gourd has the genetics to produce enormous fruit! It’s a gargantuan gourd, perfect for competition growing or to impress your friends and family!

We harvested seeds from gourds weighing at least 75 pounds to increase your odds of harvesting a truly mammoth fruit. These spectacular specimens can be used for craft projects, art pieces, or made into utilitarian containers. And this one happens to even be edible, with a crisp, clean, cucumber-like taste. You are in for a show, as the long vines meander across the garden and the fruit quickly swells to stunning sizes! Be sure you allow enough space for the plants to get huge - at least 10 feet between plants. These are heavy feeders so deep, rich soil with high organic matter will help. We recommend a triple 20 fertilizer applied as needed and make sure your plants get plenty of water. To aid germination, clip or crack the seed coat at the very top (opposite the pointy end) before planting. This will help the seed imbibe water. We started our seeds indoors in April and took our first harvest in early October, so 150 to 180 days from seeding may be needed to get your gourds to their maximum potential."

Friends of mine owned the asian grocery store “Mabuhay” in Topeka, have planted and eaten young gourds always. I would notice the white flowers on the vines instead of yellow. I ask the name of each but they know the Filipino name, not the English. :face_with_diagonal_mouth:

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I have grown bitter melon before, it is referred to here as a bitter gourd. it’s been hard for me to find a good seed source for it, I usually try to pollinate one by hand and save that single one for seed. I fear cross pollination causing it to be toxic, as there’s no way to judge it by tasting - the bitterness is the whole appeal.

this thread is very helpful. I’ve tried to grow loofah multiple times to no success.

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@clarkinks Many of the gourds discussed above all different types of bottle gourds, which are incredibly varied and grown in many regions of the world. Giant Zucca, birdhouse, cucuzzi, Nam Tao Ngma, Dudhi, Kikinda, bushel, etc. are all variants of Lagenaria siceraria. It is an amazingly varied plant. There are several Bangladeshi gardeners in the community garden where I have a plot and I’ve seen a fair variety just from what they grow. I’ve grown Kikinda (like an extra long cucuzzi) for several years and have some started this year as well. Generally, when eaten young, they are all quite mild and can be used like zucchini, but stay firmer so are better in soups, curries, etc.

As noted, they have white flowers instead of yellow, bloom late in the day, and are done by late morning the next day so they rely on bugs active at night. I’ve often found I need to hand pollinate at least early in the season or they don’t get pollinated. And don’t forget about the tender new leaves and shoots. They are an abundant summer green for cooking and I actually like the greens better than the fruits themselves. I like to pick them quite small and tender, but the Bangladeshi gardeners like to let them get quite large to get the most possible yield. They go by the fingernail test - pushing a finger or thum nail into the fruit and as long as it marks easily it is still good to eat. Here is a kikinda gourd I harvested while still young and very tender, but I’ve grown them to over 5 feet long when keeping for seed.

I also grow bitter melons every year, but I’m pretty much the only one in my family who likes them. I like them sauteed with onions and seasoned with black bean source, but also actually pick them off the vine and eat them like corn on the cob right in the garden and discard the pithy seedy middle into the compost. I also like to make a green smoothie from them - one bitter melon, two apples and the juice of one lemon. It has a little bit of a tonic water taste to me, but it does get quite frothy from the apples. I know you are aware of the health benefits of many fruits and veggies and bitter melon has been proven to be very good for regulating blood sugar. Like many of the gourds, bitter melon leaves are edible as well and some people use the leaves for tea. I’ve found the greens to be a bit to bitter for me and I get plenty of fruit from the vines. Definitely worth growing, but probably an aquired taste for anyone who didn’t grow up with them and some people, like the rest of my family, probably won’t learn to like them.

I also have a snake gourd plant started this year and have grown the ridged luffa a few times in the past. Both are good - relatively mild and easy to work into most types of cuisine. I’ve grown fuzzy melon (has a bit of cucumber to the taste), winter melon (same species as fuzzy melon, but in the mature state) and have seeds for apple gourds, but didn’t try them yet.

More people should really grow these edible gourds. They are easy to grow and really don’t seem to have the pest and disease issues many squash have. No issues with squash vine borers, no squash bugs, no downy or powdery mildew - the hardest thing is getting the seeds to germinate which requires some heat plus also benefits from scarifying or chipping the edge of the seed shell with a nail clipper.

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@zendog,
I think I was a big fan of bitter melon/gourd until I read your statement above. You are way ahead.

What kind if bitter melon you grow? Mine is a large pale green one, sold at Chinese markets. I don’t care for small darker green variety sold at Indian markets.

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@zendog

Thank you for the information! Did not know that many of these are “variants of lagenaria siceraria”! We have eaten cucuzzi most of my life. Friends of my our family grew gourds and showed us the several types they grew.

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